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| Brandon | WoohooI have been messing with DOS Packet drivers and I have about 5 cards with drivers. I finally got it going, I had to us a WATTCP.CFG file, DHCP wouldn't work. Anyways I got to use Arachne for the first time and its ok, I think I'll be messing around more trying to make DOS my main OS. | 2008-08-17 | 9:12 PM |
| Todd | Re:WoohooArachne is pretty good. I remember in 2004, a guy named Roswell Bill (a.k.a. Bill Weller) tried making a GUI based off of Arachne. Still, kudos that you got it to work! | 2008-08-17 | 10:04 PM |
| Brandon | Re:WoohooIts pretty good, the problem with our site, is that it doesn't use tables, so any older browsers suck at displaying it. | 2008-08-18 | 7:48 AM |
| Todd | Re:WoohooYeah that sucks that Arachne isn't XHTML-compatible. And I heard that W3C encourages using DIVs and SPANs over TABLEs since DIVs and SPANs load faster. :P | 2008-08-18 | 7:50 AM |
| Brandon | Re:WoohooSomeone told me that. If I make a site by hand I will use table wether they like it or not! Accually, http://BrandonCornell.com still uses a table. | 2008-08-18 | 8:15 AM |
| Todd | Re:WoohooYeah tables are easier and simpler to understand. With something like:
[code]
Col1
Col2
Col3
Col1
Col2
Col3
Col1
Col2
Col3
[/code]
it would be:
[code]
Col1
Col2
Col3
Col1
Col2
Col3
Col1
Col2
Col3
[/code]
Similar but somewhat tougher once you get into table width, borders, column width, etc. Nonetheless, I prefer using table when possible. | 2008-08-18 | 8:42 AM |
| ksr | Re:WoohooThe whole div vs. table thing actually comes about because when you consider the semantics of a web page, tables were intended to group together tabular data, not define how content should be laid out. For this reason divs are actually a lot more versatile, and have a lot of nice CSS properties you can play around with.
Another reason tables are discouraged for layout is that many screen readers (for the visually impaired) handle tables in a special way, as they expect tabular data. This can screw up how the page is presented to the user. Text-based browsers actually fall into this category, as they are presenting a web page in a linear format, just how a page would be read out to a blind person.
(And that said, even tables used legitimately for data can be misinterpreted - which is why you should use for headings and for everything else) | 2008-08-18 | 10:30 AM |
| Todd | Re:WoohooI also remember someone telling me to use and tags too for separating data from the header columns. | 2008-08-18 | 10:40 AM |
| Brandon | Re:WoohooAny everyone wnders why M$ can't parse HTML correctly? Maybe if there wasn't so many strange commands. | 2008-08-18 | 11:18 AM |
| Todd | Re:WoohooI was working on some HTML templates and in IE, certain style commands in a DIV weren't being parsed correctly but in Firefox they showed up fine.
IE also just ignores mistakes and assumes all is well but Firefox won't work unless the code is correct. | 2008-08-18 | 11:28 AM |
| aguma | Re:WoohooWhen I go to this page in IE, it just keeps displaying all the text on one line without a newline!!! IE / M$ sucks. BAD. :P | 2008-08-18 | 1:22 PM |
| Todd | Re:WoohooIE is based off of Mosaic, as was Netscape and Mozilla. I never imagined Mosaic getting this bad. | 2008-08-18 | 4:27 PM |
| Brandon | Re:WoohooStill? I would have though they would have redone it somewhere. Eitherway its not very similar. | 2008-08-18 | 4:39 PM |
| Todd | Re:WoohooThey did redo it. Mosaic wasn't great but it didn't suck so MS probably ruined the code or botched it together. | 2008-08-18 | 5:14 PM |
| ksr | Re:WoohooThey have different rendering engines though - Firefox uses the tried and tested Gecko, whereas IE uses their proprietary Trident engine. | 2008-08-18 | 5:54 PM |
| Todd | Re:WoohooI knew Firefox and Netscape use Gecko but I never knew what IE's layout engine was called. | 2008-08-18 | 6:05 PM |
| Brandon | Re:WoohooM$ should surender and back-up Firefox. Its not like IE makes them any money. | 2008-08-18 | 6:07 PM |
| Todd | Re:WoohooI heard that apparently Microsoft leaves holes in their software intentionally so they can make money on support updates. | 2008-08-18 | 6:19 PM |
| Brandon | Re:WoohooMakes sense, a multi billion dollar company shouldn't have all the bugs they do. | 2008-08-18 | 6:38 PM |
| Todd | Re:WoohooYeah the guy who told me said they started when Windows 95 came out. | 2008-08-18 | 7:01 PM |
| Brandon | Re:WoohooYeah, the sucess of 3.0 ment people used M$ products anyways, and IBM and clones used it, all the had to do is suck and make people upgrade to the "better" version. | 2008-08-19 | 8:42 AM |
| Todd | Re:WoohooVista changed that. Upgrade to a suckier version? No way. | 2008-08-19 | 8:57 AM |
| Brandon | Re:WoohooEveryone besides Microsoft doesn't like it. | 2008-08-19 | 9:19 AM |
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